This is how I understand "Predestination":

09/09/6986 the 3^rd day of the week – 11/23/04

Updated 10/22/6990 [5769] 3rd day of the week (01/20/09)

I have stayed away from the subject of “Predestination” since I have been putting my thoughts down on paper. The reason I have avoided this topic is because I don’t have a very good grasp of the issue. When I start thinking about it my head begins to spin. I will attempt to put my thoughts in order and see what the scriptures say.

When I was talking to another believer about varies topics in the scriptures, the subject of “Predestination” came up. This fellow brother in Yahshua Messiah has his understanding of the teaching, right now I don’t totally agree with his doctrine.

This is what my brother basically understands about “Predestination”. This is a very brief explanation: He believes that Yahveh has already determined who is HIS and who is not HIS. One of the questions I put to my brother in Messiah is, what about all the aborted babies? He says Yahveh never intended for them to be born. The problem I have with this understanding is the next question that came into my mind. What about all the marriages that end in divorce (I thought of this question after my brother had left)? If those babies should not have been born, than all those who have been married and then divorced should not have been married. This could be the only conclusion you can come to if you believe in this interpretation of “Predestination”.

Remember the woman at the well in John chapter 4. She had several husbands; did Yahveh before hand determine she would have five husbands (Yahochanan/John 4:18)? You would have to believe that if you understand “Predestination” the way some believers do. Those that have this understanding of “Predestination”, that Yahveh has already determined every minute detail in man-kinds life use the scripture in Yahsha'Yah/Isaiah 45:7, where Yahveh proclaims HIM-SELF that HE created evil as proof that these things are already determined:

Yasha’Yah/Isaiah : 45:7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make shalom, and create evil: I YaHVeH do all these things.

I just can’t swallow it! The way I understand this verse is that ultimately, yes, Yahveh is responsible for it all. Yes, HE takes full credit for it. The question is did the Eternal intend from the beginning for HIS creation to be evil at all?

This brings us to the other argument. Was Satan a fallen malak/angel who became evil? Or was he a malak created from the very beginning to be evil? Some say that the scripture in Yechizki'Yah/Ezekiel 28 is not speaking about Satan at all. I have to totally disagree with those who teach this. Some will also sight Yasha'Yah/Isaiah 14:12 and the name “Lucifer” being left in the Latin as one of the reasons people has this idea. They say that the translator left that Latin name in the verse to promote his interpretation. Again, I have to totally disagree. If you have read the witness of Luke and the book of Revelation, which was revealed to Yahochanan/John you would see that Yahveh is staying consistent with HIS prophetic Word.

This is from JAMIESON/FAUSSET/BROWN A COMMENTARY CRITICAL, EXPERIMENTAL, AND PRACTICAL VOLUME II PART II PAGE 610:

First let’s read that verse in Yasha'Yah:

Yasha'Yah/Isaiah: 14:12: How art thou fallen from shameh, O Lucifer, ben of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

From E-Sword Strong’s Concordance the Hebrew word that “Lucifer” was translated from is:

H1966

He^yle^l

Hay-lale'

From H1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning star: - lucifer.

H1984

Ha^lal

Haw-lal'

A primitive root; to be clear (originally of sound, but usually of color); to shine; hence to make a show; to boast; and thus to be (clamorously) foolish; to rave; causatively to celebrate; also to stultify: - (make) boast (self), celebrate, commend, (deal, make), fool (-ish, -ly), glory, give [light], be (make, feign self) mad (against), give in marriage, [sing, be worthy of] praise, rage, renowned, shine.

The Messenger/Apostle Saul/Shaul (Paul) confirms this same understanding of Satan being “bright”. This is what the Messenger Shaul says:

2 Corinthians: 11:14: And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an malak of light.

From E-Sword Strong’s Concordance the Greek word “light” is:

G5457

Phos

Foce

From an obsolete φάω phao¯ (to shine or make manifest, especially by rays; compare G5316 and G5346); luminousness (in the widest application, natural or artificial, abstract or concrete, literal or figurative): - fire, light.

Saul received this understanding from somewhere, and sense it was Saul himself who taught that part of the body of Yahshua’s foundation is built on the prophets (Ephesians. 2:20; 2 Tim. 2:15), I believe it is right to conclude that he received some (Galatians 1:12) of his understanding from reading and studying the prophets.

Continuing with what the scriptures says concerning Satan, Yahshua our Rabbi says Himself in Luke:

Luke/Ur: 10:18: And He said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from shameh.

If you look at this verse close enough you will see that two points are being made:

1) Yahshua says He “...beheld Satan as lightning...” if anyone has seen lightning you know how intensely bright it is for a brief second.

2) Yahshua said “...I beheld Satan...fall from shameh.” To fall you have to be at a higher point to fall to a lower point. Satan had a high position in Yahveh’s kingdom before he fell, which Yechizki'Yah/Ezekiel 28 confirms.

Let’s read Yechizki'Yah 28 verses 11 – 15. I’m going to show you why these verses are speaking directly about Satan:

Yecchizki’Yah/Ezekiel: 28:11: Moreover the word of YaHVeH came unto me, saying,

Eze: 28:12: Brn of Adam, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Rabbi YaHViH; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom¹, and perfect in beauty².

1) Look Yahveh says: “...Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom...” Was the king of Tyrus wiser than king Solomon? If we believe Yahveh’s Word, he couldn’t be, because Yahveh’s Word says that there was no man wiser than king Solomon (I Kings 3:5 – 12):

{1Kings (Malachim-Aleph): 3:12: Behold, I have done according to thy words: lo, I have given thee a wise and an understanding heart; so that there was none like thee before thee, neither after thee shall any arise like unto thee.}

It is clear that Yechizki'Yah 28:12 is not speaking about any flesh and blood king because it would contradict Yahveh’s Word. No other person (human being excluding Yahshua the Mashiyach when He came in the flesh) king or otherwise was wiser than king Solomon. So, verse 28 is NOT speaking about a physical flesh and blood king.

2) Now I ask you, can a human being made of corruptible flesh and blood be “perfect in beauty?” No. I think if you look at most handsome and beautiful people close enough you will find a physical flaw somewhere.

Eze: 28:13: Thou hast been in Eden the garden of Elohiym³; every precious stone was thy covering⁴, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created⁵.

3) Was the king of Tyrus (physical flesh and blood human being) in the Garden of Eden, the very garden that Yahveh placed Adam and Chavvah (Eve) in to care for? Well, if he was, than this would deny what Yahveh’s Word says in Genesis’. After Adam and Chavvah disobeyed the Word of Yahveh they were cast out, and the Word of Yahveh sealed the entrance to the garden with Cherubiyms and a flaming sword:

{Genesis: 3:24: So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubiyms, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.}

After Adam and Chavvah were cast out no human being could enter the Garden of Eden anymore. If a human being even tried to enter he or she would be destroyed by the flaming sword. It seems there was no other entrance to the Garden of Eden but in the east.

Who was in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Chavvah? The only other two beings that I know of that were in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Chavvah was the Word of Yahveh (Gen. 3:8 before Yahshua became flesh) and the serpent (Gen. 3:1 – 5 Satan). The king of Tyrus wasn’t in the Garden of Eden. So we can clearly see that Yahveh is speaking about that malak we know as the serpent, dragon, Satan and the devil (Revelation 12).

4) Look at the covering of this being that Yahveh created. When Adam was created and when man is born, he came out and comes out with just skin as his covering (See Yechizki'Yah/Ezekiel 37). Did the king of Tyrus come out of his mother’s womb with this jewelry all over him covering his body? Was the king of Tyrus born without skin and instead he was born with all these precious ornaments on him? No. Only a being made not like man (Psalms 8:5) could have this type of covering.

5) Did the king of Tyrus have “tabrets” and “pipes” sticking out of him like some grotesque mutant? No! Only shamayim malak made not like man (Psalm 8:5) could be created in such away.

Eze: 28:14: Thou art the anointed cherub ⁶that covereth⁷; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the kodesh mountain of Elohiym⁸; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire⁹.

6) Yahveh could not be any clearer in verse 14. HE says, “Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth...” Was the king of Tyrus a physical flesh and blood king (Psalm 8:5) a cherub? NO! Yahveh is clearly saying this being HE is speaking about is a CHERUB!

7) “That covereth,” from E-sword Strong’s Concordance the word in Hebrew for “covereth” is:

H5526

Sa^kak s´a^kak

Saw-kak', saw-kak'

A primitive root; properly to entwine as a screen; by implication to fence in, cover over, (figuratively) protect: - cover, defence, defend, hedge in, join together, set, shut up.

Was the king of Tyrus (a flesh and blood man) the guard for Yahveh? No. Yahveh is clearly speaking about malak not made like man. It seems that this Cherub now called Satan was a high-ranking officer in the army of shamayim malakiym that Yahveh created (Matthew 26:53).

8) “...Thou wast upon the kodesh mountain of Elohiym...” Was the king of Tyrus (flesh and blood man) on the “kodesh mountain of Elohiym”? No. Can flesh and blood see or be part of the Kingdom of Yahveh:

{1Corinthians: 15:50: Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of YaHVeH; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.}

The book of Iyob (Job) makes if very clear the shamayim malakiym assigned to the earth (Jude 1:6) at one time could travel from earth to shameh to visit Yahveh’s throne:

{Yob: 1:6: Now there was a day when the beniiym of Elohiym came to present themselves before YaHVeH, and Satan came also among them.

Yob: 1:7: And YaHVeH said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered YaHVeH, and said, from going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. }

We also know no other flesh and blood human (king of Tyrus) being has been to shameh (“kodesh mountain of Elohim”), because Yahshua Himself says no man has ascended to shameh:

{Yahochanan/John: 3:13: And no man hath ascended up to shameh, but He that came down from shameh, even the Ben of Adam which is in Shameh.}

It is clear Yahveh is speaking about a shamayim malak, which was an “anointed cherub”.

9) “Thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.” Can flesh and blood men walk in fire and not be consumed by the flames? No. Unless, Yahveh protects them like HE did Daniel's brethren (Daniel 3). This being can walk in flames and not be burned up.

Yechizki'Yah/Ezekiel: 28:15: Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Now here is the clincher verse. Verse 15 says that this cherub “wast perfect” when he was created, but at some time in his existence, however long that was, he became sinful. This cherub we now call the serpent, dragon, Satan and the devil, sinned. He began to think of himself more than he should (Romans 12:3; Galatians 6:3). His pride began to bud and his attitude became haughty (Proverb 16:18), he thought himself to be just as good or even better than his Creator.

Satan himself by his own words clearly says that the elohiym (shamayim malakiym/angels/gods/cherubiym) knew good from evil, when he told Chavvah if she eats the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good evil that she would be like elohiym knowing good from evil:

{Genesis: 3:5: For Elohiym doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as elohiym, knowing good and evil.}

Satan said himself that the elohiym (malakiym from shameh/cherubiym) already knew good from evil. They knew the difference! They had a choice. I don’t know if it was an outright choice given to them by Yahveh. I don’t know if Yahveh told the malakiym (elohiym), OK now, choose good or evil, or if it was a process of time in the malakiym’s existence, as time went on they choose evil by their actions. From reading Yechizki'Yah 28 I believe it is the latter, because Yahveh says “...till iniquity was found in thee.”

Now let’s read what Revelation says about Satan and his fall:

Revelation: 12:7: And there was war in shameh: Miychael and his malakiym fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his malakiym,

Re: 12:8: And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in shameh.

Re: 12:9: And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his malakiym were cast out with him.

Re: 12:10: And I heard a loud voice saying in shameh, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our Elohiym, and the power of HIS Mashiyach: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our Elohiym day and night.

If we continue in this thought that the cherub we now know as Satan, was, before his fall a high ranking officer in the army of malakiym Yahveh created, we can now conclude that Satan was demoted and now Miychael (Daniel 12:1) is promoted to the high rank that Satan once held (Ezekiel 28:14). I have heard some suggest that this malak named Miychael is actually Yahshua the Mashiyach. I have to disagree with this understanding. Yahshua the Mashiyach before He came in the flesh was the Word of Yahveh that created all the malakiym and everything that was created He made (Yahochanan/John 1:1 – 3; 17:5; Ephesians 3:9).

Revelation 12:9 says “...he was cast out into the earth...” and verse 10 says he was “...cast down...” So Satan has been “cast out” and “cast down” out of Yahveh’s Kingdom. It has already been determined (Romans 4:17) the reality of the literal event is yet to happen in the near future.

I believe these scriptures do prove that Yasha'Yah/Isaiah 14, Yechizki'Yah/Ezekiel 28 and I believe even Yechizki'Yah 31 is describing Satan before and after his fall.

I agree that Yahveh has total control over HIS creation. But I don’t see right now that HE does not give us some type of free choice. I believe HE does give us some free choice after we are born. Now I do believe that Yahveh has and does choose and call people. You do have to make a difference between those who are “chosen” and those who are “called.”

Matthew (Matit’Yah-ha’Levi): 22:14: For many are called, but few are chosen.

The “chosen” are selected for a specific task that Yahveh has, and that person has no choice in the matter. The person MUST fulfill what Yahveh has “chosen” him or her to do. If you have been “chosen” by Yahveh, HE will choose you for HIS good or for HIS evil. Those who have been “chosen” have no choice in the matter. I will give you an example of people I can think of off the top of my head who have been “chosen.” I will list two categories. One category to do Yahveh’s good and the other to do Yahveh’s evil:

Those people “chosen” to do Yahveh’s good:

* Abel,

* Enoch,

* Noach/Noah,

* Abraham,

* Yitschaq/Isaac,

* Ya'akob/Yacob,

* Mosheh/Moses,

* EliYah,

* The Prophets,

* Zechariah and his wife Elizabeth (Luke 1:13),

* Yahochanan (John) the Immerser/Baptist (Luke 1:13),

* Mary the mother of Yahshua (Luke 1:30),

* Yahshua the Mashiyach (Mat. 12:17-18. He was with the FATHER from the beginning and was known as Yahveh’s Word (Genesis 1:3; 3:8; Yechizki'Yah/Ezekiel 1:3; Yahochanan/John 1:1; 17:5),

* Eleven of the chosen followers (later became the Messengers/Apostles Yahochanan/John 15:16, 19) of Yahshua the Mashiyach,

* The 70 (Luke 10:1),

* The Messenger Shaul/Saul (who was called Paul Acts 9),

* The 144,000 (Revelation 7:1 – 8),

* The two witnesses (Revelation 11; Daniel 8:13)...

This is just a brief listing of those Yahveh’s has “chosen” for HIS good.

Those Yahveh has “chosen” to do HIS evil:

* Satan (Revelation 20:10),

* And Satan’s malakiym (Revelation 12:7-8),

* Cain,

* Nimrod,

* Yishmael,

* Esau/Edom (Romans 9:13),

* Pharaoh king of Egypt at the time of the Exodus (Exodus 4:21),

* The four kingdoms listed in Daniel chapters 2 and 7,

* Yudas (Judas) Iscariot (one of the original 12 followers that Yahshua had “chosen” Yahochanan/John 13:18),

* The "son of perdition" that will lead the beast (Revelation 19:19-20),

* The false prophet (Revelation 19:20),

* The ten horns mounted on the beast (Revelation 13:1)...

Remember this is just a brief list of those Yahveh has “chosen” to do HIS evil.

There is also a physical flesh and blood (I Corinthians 15:50) remnant of the children of Yisrael (Yasha'Yah/Isaiah 11:11) and Gentile people (Yirmi'Yah/Jeremiah 16:19) that have been “chosen” to survive the Great Tribulation and the wrath of the Lamb when He returns at the 7^th trumpet (“last trump”). These people are not part of the body of Yahshua (First resurrection), but are those who Yahveh has “chosen” to preserve and the body of Yahshua will be ruling over them (Revelation 5:10).

A person that is “called” is someone who is led to Yahshua the Mashiyach (Yahochanan/John 6:44) and has a choice in accepting Him or rejecting Him (Acts 2:38; 17:30). That person now that Yahshua the Mashiyach has come can be either Hebrew (Children of Yisrael) or Gentile. The calling first goes out to the children of Yisrael and than to the Gentiles (Matthew 21:42 – 42; 22; Romans 1:16). This calling is very important for the support of the “chosen.”

Those that Yahveh has “called” and drawn to HIS Ben Yahshua (John 6:44) and believe in Him (Ephesians 1:4) have been “Predestine” (Ephesians 1:5, 11) to received eternal life (John 3:16).

List of those Yahveh has “called” and believe in Yahshua Mashiyach. Those “chosen” to do Yahveh’s good will use this group:

The seed that falls on the good ground (Matthew 13:23).

The “Great Multitude” found in Revelation 7:9...

Those that Yahveh has “called” and drawn to HIS n Yahshua (Yahochanan/John 6:44) and believe NOT in Him have been “Predestine” to receive eternal death (Yahochanan/John 3:18).

List of those Yahveh has “called” and reject Yahshua Mashiyach. Those “chosen” to do Yahveh’s evil will use this group:

Unbelieving House of Yahudah (Matith'Yah ha Leviy/Matthew 7:21 – 27; 13:2 – 7; Yahochanan/John 3:18; 8; Yechizki'Yah/Ezekiel 16; Revelation 17),

Unbelieving House of Yisrael, which is predominantly traditional Christian doctrine (Matith'Yah ha Leviy/Matthew 7:21 – 27; 13:2 – 7; Yahochanan 3:18; 8; Yechizki'Yah 17; Revelation 17),

Unbelieving Gentiles (Matthew 7:21 – 27)...

It was Shakespeare who wrote “All the world’s a stage, and all the men and women merely players.” I believe this to be very true. This is how those Yahveh has “chosen” for HIS good or evil use you. If you believe in Yahshua the Mashiyach your part in the play is for Yahveh’s good. If you reject Yahveh’s Lamb, which means you have selected Satan you will be used to fulfill Yahveh’s evil.

Let’s take for example Adam and Chavvah (Eve). Yahveh gave them a choice to choose the tree of life or to choose the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. What did Adam choose? By his actions he chose the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Read all of Romans 5). Yes, and by that action all men have sinned (Romans 5:14). We had no choice from that time we were under the death penalty (Romans 6:23) until Yahshua the Mashiyach came in the flesh (Romans 5:17, 19) and died for our sins. Yahveh now gives us a choice, those that HE has “called” (Not speaking about those HE has “chosen”), to choose Yahshua the Lamb of Yahveh = the tree of life, or Satan (by rejecting Yahshua the Mashiyach) = the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. You see Yahveh is “calling” all men (human beings) everywhere on the earth and drawing them to HIS Ben (Yahochanan 6:44, 65):

Acts: 17:30: And the times of this ignorance YaHVeH winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Now if Yahveh has not given us a choice (free choice) HE would not have presented the two trees (Genesis 2:9), there by giving us a choice (Read Yechizki'Yah chapter 31). I guess you can say Yahveh really didn’t give us a choice because HE commanded Adam not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. But if that were the case than there would have never been the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the first place.

So now the question goes back to, did Yahveh give the shamayim malakiym a choice when HE created them? Well, the answer would have to be, yes. How long did the malakiym exist before man was created, I have no idea. But if we read deeper into B'resheet/Genesis there seems to be a time that the earth was without form and void. If you read Yirmi'Yah chapter 4 you will see that the “Great Tribulation” and its effects are described similar to the beginning in Genesis 1:1-2:

Genesis/B’resheet: 1:1: In the beginning Elohiym created the shameh and the earth.

Ge: 1:2: And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Ruach of Elohiym moved upon the face of the waters.

YirmiYah/Jeremiah: 4:23: I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the shamayim, and they had no light.

The point I’m trying to make is that there very well could have been a cataclysmic event that took place before man was created (Yudah/Jude 1:6).

I believe this understanding of “Predestination” that some have is based on - can we lose our salvation? You know the once saved always-saved doctrine. Some believe we cannot and others believe we can. What do the scriptures say about this? If we continue in the understanding of the “chosen” and “called” in Matthew 22:14 than there would be no-way for those Yahveh has “chosen” to do HIS good (Exodus 33:19; Romans 9:15) can lose their salvation. But if we have been “called” it is a different story. Here are some scriptures I base my understanding on.

In Matthew 25 Yahshua gives the parable of the ten virgins. Five wise virgins and five foolish. It is clear in this verse that these people have been “called”, repented and received Yahveh’s Kodesh Ruach. They have lamps, which burn with oil (oil = Yahveh’s Ruach) but the five foolish virgins forget, or do not take serious the purchasing of the oil to burn in their lamps. They had oil in their lamps, but as time goes on the oil is burned up. The lamps have to be replenished with oil (Matthew 7:11; Luke 11:13).

Again in Matthew 25 we see Yahveh giving HIS Ruach to three men represented by the talents. The only way we can receive Yahveh Ruach is if we believe, repent and are immersed under water (I’m not forgetting the criminal on the stake or Acts 10, Yahveh knows our heart and our situation) in the name of Yahshua (Acts 2:38; Yahochanan-Makabi/Mark 16:16). So these men have Yahveh’s Ruach in them. The last man Yahshua comes to and ask to receive the profit from his one talent does nothing with the free gift (talent) that Yahveh gives him. He sits on it and returns the same talent to Yahshua. Now what does Yahshua do to this servant that had salvation (Yahveh’s Ruach) but did nothing with it:

Matthew: 25:30: And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Some will say well the five foolish virgins and the man with one talent Yahshua never knew, that’s not true, these people had Yahveh’s Ruach in them represented by the “oil” and the “talent”. This parable in Matthew chapter 25 should not be confused with Matthew chapter 7, where Yahshua says He “...never knew you...”

Matthew: 7:21: Not every one that saith unto Me, Rabbi, Rabbi, shall enter into the kingdom of shameh; but he that doeth the will of My FATHER which is in shameh.

M't: 7:22: Many will say to Me in that day, Rabbi, Rabbi, have we not prophesied in Thy name? And in Thy name have cast out devils? And in Thy name done many wonderful works?

M't: 7:23: And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity.

These people who think they can just believe in Yahshua without repentance from sin, which is defined by that law placed INSIDE the ark (Shemot/Exodus 20; I Kings 8:9; I Yahochanan 3:4) are the ones Yahshua “never knew.” These people “work iniquity.”

From E-Sword Strong’s Concordance the Greek word for “iniquity” is:

G458

Anomia

An-om-ee'-ah

From G459; illegality, that is, violation of law or (generally) wickedness: - iniquity, X transgress (-ion of) the law, unrighteousness.

1Yahochanan: 3:4: Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

What about the parable of the sower and the seed falling by the way side, stony places, among the thorns and on the good ground? The seed (“calling”) is being thrown on the ground in the area that is prepared for the harvest, which is the whole earth (Matthew 13:38). When a farmer plants seed he does not just through the seed on unprepared soil. The soil is usually tilled and broken up. He will sometime fertilize it to give it more nutrients for a better harvest. As he is planting the seed some of it will not always land in the spot the farmer has prepared. Would it be right to say that the seed that falls out of the prepared harvest ground is the soil/ground that has been “called” (Acts 17:24) but have rejected Yahshua the Mashiyach, and those that Yahveh has “chosen” to do HIS evil will use them to fulfill that evil? I think it would be right to say the seed that falls in all four groups: the “way side”, the “stony places”, “among the thorns” and the “good ground”, Yahveh is “calling”? The ones “chosen” for Yahveh’s good are the ones who have planted the seed:

M't: 13:18: Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

M't: 13:19: When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he, which received seed by the way side¹.

M't: 13:20: But he that received the seed into stony places², the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

M't: 13:21: Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

M't: 13:22: He also that received seed among the thorns³ is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

M't: 13:23: But he that received seed into the good ground⁴ is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

1) The “wicked one” spoken of in verse 19 is clearly speaking about Satan. He has been “chosen” to do Yahveh’s evil. These people who fall into the category of falling by the “way side” have been “called” they still have a choice to accept or reject Yahshua Mashiyach, but because of the condition they are in it is easy for Satan to snatch what has been sown in their mind.

2) The people where the seed falls into “stony places” are still “called”, they have had Yahshua Mashiyach presented to them, and like the message for a while, but don’t really go any farther in their walk to do what is necessary to receive the help they need to endure tribulation or persecution.

3) The seed that falls among “the thorns” are people who have still been “called” but because of their wealth and involvement in the world it chokes what has been sown in them.

In all three of these categories are people who have been “called” but never really repented from sin or received Yahveh’s Ruach. These people can be counted as those mentioned in Matthew chapter 7 that Yahshua never knew or the “many” in Matthew 24:5.

4) The seed that falls on “good ground” are those that have been “called” who believe in Yahshua Mashiyach, repented from sin and have received Yahveh’s Ruach. But it does not mean as I have already shown you in Matthew 25 that they cannot loose their salvation if they don’t continue in well doing. If they don’t endure to the end (Matthew 10:22; 24:45 – 51) they can be thrown in the fire, and be counted as the goats or tares (Matthew 13:25 – 30; 25:33).

Yahochanan/John: 6:37: All that the FATHER giveth Me shall come to Me; and him that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out.

Yahshua says He will not “cast out” anybody the FATHER gives Him, but that would have to be on the condition we continue watching and well doing. This is the only way it would be consistent with what Yahshua said in Matthew 10:22; 24:45 – 51; 13:25 – 30; 25:33.

John: 10:27: My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me:

John: 10:28: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of My hand.

John: 10:29: My FATHER, which gave them Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of My FATHER's hand.

When we read Yahochanan 10:27 – 29 we have to look to what Yahshua also said in the book of Revelation concerning the seven Ekklesia/Called out Congregation/Moediym/“Churches” . Notice Yahshua said “...neither shall any man pluck them out of My hand.” Yahshua didn’t say that He could not pluck them out of His own hand or remove them from His own hand. He said nobody else could. Yahshua has the authority (Matthew 11:27; Hebrews 2:7-8) to remove those in His own hand out if they don’t continue in His commandments:

Revelation: 2:5: Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Revelation: 2:16: Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth.

Revelation: 2:21: And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

Revelation: 2:22: Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

Revelation: 3:3: Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Revelation: 3:19: As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Yahshua makes it very clear to those who are in His body in Revelation chapter 2 and 3 what He will do to those who do not repent from their evil. Yahshua is NOT talking about anybody else but those who believe in Him, have repented from sin and have received Yahveh’s Ruach. He states it very plainly in Revelation 2:16 that He will be fighting “...against them with the sword of My mouth.” “Them” are those believer’s that don’t repent. Understand the only time Yahshua will be fighting against anyone is at the sound of the 7^th trumpet at His return. If He is fighting against you at His return you will be thrown in the fire and lose your eternal life.

Anything the chosen Messenger Shaul/Saul/Paul taught would have to agree with what Yahshua taught. So when looking at Saul’s teaching you have to look at it in this light:

Romans: 8:28: And we know that all things work together for good to them that love YaHVeH, to them who are the called according to HIS purpose.

Notice Saul says “...to them who are the called according to HIS purpose.”

Remember Saul’s understanding cannot go out of the boundaries of what Yahshua had already laid down (Galatians 1:12) when He walked on the earth in the flesh, and spoke those parables previously discussed. We who believe and have repented from our old life style are “ the called” for Yahveh’s good “purpose”.

Those that Yahveh has “chosen” to do HIS good, they will use “the called” to fulfill that good purpose:

Romans: 8:29: For whom HE did foreknow, HE also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of HIS Ben, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

“For whom HE did foreknow...” Who are those that Yahveh foreknew? Consult the list those “chosen” for Yahveh’s good. I know Yahveh already knew HIS Ben Yahshua (“chosen”):

{Yahochanan: 17:5: And now, O FATHER, magnify THOU Me with THINE OWN SELF with the splendor which I had with THEE before the world was.}

I also know that Yahveh foreknew Yirmi'Yah because of this verse of scripture:

{Yirmi'Yah: 1:5: Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I purified/kadash thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.}

Romans: 8:30: Moreover whom HE did predestinate, them HE also called: and whom HE called, them HE also justified: and whom HE justified, them HE also magnified.

Revelation: 17:14: These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for He is Rab of rabbiym, and Melek of melekiym: and they that are with Him are called, and chosen, and trustful.

I don’t want to forget the “elect” that Yahshua mentions in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 18:

Matthew: 24:22: And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

M’t: 24:24: For there shall arise false messiah’s, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

M't: 24:31: And He shall send His malakiym with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of shameh to the other.

Mark: 13:20: And except that YaHVeH had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom He hath chosen, He hath shortened the days.

M'r: 13:22: For false messiah’s and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

M'r: 13:27: And then shall He send His malakiym, and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of shameh.

Luke: 18:7: And shall not YaHVeH avenge HIS own elect, which cry day and night unto HIM, though HE bear long with them?

I understand the “elect” to be those who have been “chosen” (Remember the “chosen” will use the “called”) to be part of the body of Yahshua (First resurrection) and those who have been “chosen” to physically survive the “Great Tribulation” (Matthew 24:21) and the “Wrath of the Lamb” (Revelation 6:16; 14:10). I will break it down.

In Matthew 24:22 if you will notice that Yahshua says “...there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.” Now those who have been “chosen” and “called” to the body of Yahshua have no need to worry of the destruction of our physical (flesh) bodies, only those who are not in the first resurrection (Revelation 20:6) have to be concerned what happens to their physical bodies. So the “elect” spoken in Matthew 24:22 is speaking about those physical flesh and blood people who have been “chosen” to survive the “Great Tribulation” and “Wrath of the Lamb”.

In Matthew 24:24 Yahshua calls the “elect” in this verse the “very elect”. I believe He is speaking about those who are part of the first resurrection (body of Yahshua, Revelation 20:6). The reason I believe this is because it is only the body of Yahshua that really understand and know what is going on in this Satan deceived world (Revelation 12:9). Everybody else is already deceived and blind and don’t understand Yahveh’s Prophetic Word. Remember those who are watching for Yahshua’s coming, it will not be as a thief in the night (Matthew 24:43; Luke 12:39; 21:34).

In Matthew 24:31 Yahshua makes it very clear the “elect” spoken of in this verse are those who are part of His body (first resurrection). “...Shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of shameh to the other. We know from what the Messenger Saul taught us, the only people who will ascend up to shameh are those who have Yahveh’s Ruach in them (I Corinthians 15; I Thessalonians 4:13 – 17).

It’s interesting how Yahveh’s Ruach (John 14:26) caused Mark to remember what Yahshua said about the “elect” in Mark 13:20. “...No flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom He hath chosen...” Mark makes it very clear these physical flesh and blood (I Cor. 15:50) humans have been “chosen” to survive the “Great Tribulation” and “Wrath of the Lamb”. There has to be a physical flesh and blood remnant of the children of Yisrael and Gentile people to survive Yahshua’s return, so that all of Yahveh’s Prophetic Word can be fulfilled (Yasha'Yah 11; Yirmi'Yah 16).

Mark 13:22 says “...to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.” Mark used the word “seduce” and Matthew 24:24 used the word “deceive”. This “elect” is speaking about the body of Yahshua (first resurrection). The words “seduce” and “deceive” virtually mean the same thing. From E-Sword Strong’s Concordance the Greek word for “seduce” is:

G635

αποπλανάω

apoplanao¯

ap-op-lan-ah'-

From G575 and G4105; to lead astray (figuratively); passively to stray (from truth): - err, seduce.

The word for “deceive” is:

G4105

πλανάω

planao¯

plan-ah'-o

From G4106; to (properly cause to) roam (from safety, truth, or virtue): - go astray, deceive, err, seduce, wander, be out of the way.

Mark 13:27 is most interesting because Yahshua says the “elect” in this verse the malakiym will “... gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of shameh. From this verse the “elect” are broken into two categories. The “elect” on “the earth” (Flesh and blood) and the “elect” that are in “shameh”. The only “elect” on “the earth” that will have to be gathered together from this prospective are the physical flesh and blood remnant of the tribes of Yisrael that have to be gathered from where Yahveh has scattered them, and the body of Yahshua will place them back into the Promised Land (Yasha'Yah 11; Yirmi'Yah 16). The physical flesh and blood remnants of the Gentiles that survive are already in their boundaries of their land. Yahveh has used the Gentiles to punish the children of Yisrael for their disobedience (Yasha'Yah 10). The only land that Satan wants is the land that Yahveh has promised to the children of Yisrael. The “elect” in “shameh” are of the body of Yahshua (first resurrection I Cor. 15; I Thes. 4:13 – 17; Rev. 20:6).

Luke 18:7 I believe the “elect” spoken of in this verse are those who are the physical flesh and blood remnant of the tribes of Yisrael (Isaiah 10:12) and the body of Yahshua (first resurrection), those that die and suffer because of His name (Revelation 6:9 – 11).

As of right now this is how I understand the doctrine of “Predestination.” Yahveh in HIS infinite wisdom before HE created anything, and was designing and planning HIS creation knew those that HE created would have to have a choice in obedience to HIM. HE had a plan from the very beginning what HE would do if HIS shamayim malakiym rebelled and how HE would use them to fulfill what HE was creating for HIMSELF in man (Psalms 8:5; Ephesians 1:4; Revelation 4:11). Hallelu’Yah! All praise, respect and splendor is HIS and is revealed through HIS Ben Yahshua haMashiyach.