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Yahshua is NOT YaHVeH the FATHER.

06/07/6987 [5765] 2nd Day of the week (09/12/05)

Updated 07/19/6992 [5771] 4th day of the week (09/29/10)

 

 

 

All personal pronouns describing YaHVeH is in capitals and colored RED. For example: FATHER, HE, HIS, YOU, YOUR, EL, ELO...

All personal pronouns describing Yahshua the first letter will be capitalized, and colored Blue followed by lower case letters. For example: Rabbi, Ben, He, His, You, Your, ...Hiym (Him).

I was in a Pal talk chat room and heard a person say that Yahshua is YaHVeH. I ask this person did I misunderstand him when he used Psalm 68:17-18 as one of his bases for understanding. When I ask this question it thoroughly irritated him and he would not allow me to speak anymore. Sense he would not allow me to speak I proceed to type some question to him in the chat room, which he would not respond right away. I asked three questions:

1)       Who is YaHVeH’s Outstretched Arm?

2)       Who is YaHVeH’s Right Hand?

3)       Who is the Voice of YaHVeH (Word of YaHVeH)?

I was in another Pal talk chat room and in this room the person speaking denied that Yahshua was YaHVeH’s Outstretched Arm and Right Hand. In this chat room I ask the person does he fellowship with unbelieving "Jews"? He said he did. I ask him how did they treat him, and he said well (Mat. 10:22). I asked him does he proclaim Yahshua’s name to them? Then I posted these scriptures to him in the chat room:

Matthew/Matit’Yah- ha Levi: 10:32: Whosoever therefore shall confess Me before men, him will I confess also before My FATHER which is in shameh.

M't: 10:33: But whosoever shall deny Me before men, him will I also deny before My FATHER which is in shameh.

I told him it was one thing to witness to unbelieving "Jews"/Yudiym and to those Yudiym who are listening and wanting to understand. I said to him, it is another thing if he was fellowshipping with these unbelieving Yudiym and they have no desire to know the truth and even abhor the name of the Rabbi Yahshua. I told him the scriptures are very clear on this (2 Yohn 1:10-11). He asked me do I fellowship with Traditional Christians. I told him only to show them the error they are in (Ya'akob/James 5:20). I also told him I have nothing to do with the pagan customs of Traditional Christianity, and that I keep the Sabbaths. Nevertheless he began to accuse me of being anti-Semitic, saying I hate Yudiym. Of course this person would no longer let me speak. So I proceed to type in the chat room that he is lying, a liar. After that I was bounced out of the chat room.

I believe most of this spirit is coming from unbelievers who have crept in, and unfortunately some of this is being done through some in the sacred name movement. Don’t get me wrong; I believe we should be using the names of the FATHER and the Ben in their Hebrew roots. But I believe those who are part of the Body of Yahshua should remember and be aware that a “falling away” (2 Thes. 2:3) has taken place. I believe this “falling away” continues and due to unbelievers (Galatians 5) want to gain support to build a physical heykal built with the hand of man. The Body of Yahshua must allow (suffer) it so all scriptures can be fulfilled (Mat. 26:54), but we need to understand correctly that we are part of a Heykal built without hands (Mark 14:58; Col. 2:11). Read article: 40) http://bodyofyahshuakeptinyahvehsname.webs.com/40the3rdtemple.htm  In order to have a heykal you have to have a high kohen (Read article: 41) http://bodyofyahshuakeptinyahvehsname.webs.com/41ourhighkohenpriest.htm) and animal sacrifices. Part of the “falling away”  mentality is those who once believed that Yahshua Messiah fulfilled (Matthew 5:17; Luke 24:27, 44) those things, but now will turn back to the blood of bulls and goats (Psalm 50:7 – 15; Yashayah 1:11) and to a Levitical high kohen, who he himself cannot take away his own sin (Read and study all of the letter to the Hebrews).

Getting back to this scripture in Psalm 68:17-18. Yahshua the Mashiyach never claimed He was YaHVeH. He did claim to be the Rabbi and Mashiyach. When in the first chat room I spoke to the person using Psalm 68:17 –18 to base his understanding, he either intentionally or unintentionally quoted in verse 17, the last half of the verse like this: “Yahveh is among them, as in Sinai, in the kodesh place.” This was his first mistake. If you read from the KJV you will see the verse says:

Psalms: 68:17: The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.

The verse doesn’t say: “The LORD” in all capitals. It says “the Lord”. Remember in KJV whenever you see all capitals like, “GOD” or “LORD” you are seeing the name of YaHVeH being replaced. But when you see capital “Lord” with lower case letters after you are seeing the title “Adonai”, which I replace with Rabbi. 

From E-Sword Strong’s Concordance:

Psalm 68:17 The chariots7393 of God430 are twenty thousand,7239 even thousands505 of angels:8136 the Lord136 is among them, as in Sinai,5514 in the holy6944 place.

Psalm 68:18  Thou hast ascended5927 on high,4791 thou hast led captivity captive:7617, 7628 thou hast received3947 gifts4979 for men;120 yea, for the rebellious5637 also,637 that the LORD3050 God430 might dwell7931 among them.

The verse can read like this: “The chariots of ELOHiym are twenty thousand, even thousands of malakiym: The Rabbi is among them, as in Sinai, in the kodesh place.”

H136

'Ado^na^y

Ad-o-noy'

An emphatic form of H113; the Lord (used as a proper name of God only): - (my) Lord.

As believers we must replace "Adonai" with Master or Rabbi because Adonai is a Greco pagan idol. 

The two verses in Psalm 68:17-18 can read:

“17: The chariots of ELOHiym are twenty thousand, even thousands of malakiym:  the Rabbi is among them, as in Sinai, in the kodesh place.

18: You have ascended on high, You have led captivity captive: You have received gifts for men; yes, for the rebellious also, that YaHVeH ELOHiym might dwell among them.”

Now if we look at these verses in this context it can easily be broken down this way:

Q. Who “...is among them, as in Sinai, in the kodesh place”?

A. The Rabbi

Who did Yahshua say He was, is and will be (Revelation 1:8)?

Yohn/Yahochanan: 13:13: You all call Me Master and Rabbi: and you say well; for so I am.

Matthew: 23:8: But be not you all called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Mashiyach; and all you are brethren.

Matthew: 12:8: For the Ben of Adam is Rabbi even of the Sabbath day.

Yahshua clearly claims He is Rabbi. Who was there among them in Sinai, in the kodesh place? Yahshua before He came in the flesh (Yohn 8:58; 17:5; Genesis 3:8).

Now verse 18 of Psalm 68.

Q. Who “...hast ascended on high...” Turn to Acts 1:9 – 11:

A. Acts: 1:9: And when He had spoken these things, while they beheld, He was taken up; and a cloud received Him out of their sight.

Acts: 1:10: And while they looked stedfastly toward shameh as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

Acts: 1:11: Which also said, you men of Galilee, why stand you all gazing up into shameh? This same Yahshua, which is taken up from you into shameh, shall so come in like manner as you have seen Him go into shameh.

Continuing in Psalm 68:18:

Q. Who “...have led captivity captive...”?

A. Ephesians: 4:6: One EL and FATHER of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Eph: 4:7: But to every one of us is given favor according to the measure of the gift of Messiah.

Eph: 4:8: That is why He said, when He ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts to men.

Eph: 4:9: (Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

Eph: 4:10: He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all shamayim, that He might fill all things.)

Q. Who “...have received gifts for men, yes for the rebellious also...”?

A. Messiah (Eph. 4:7). Eph: 4:8: That is why He said, when He ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts to men.

Q. Why has Yahshua done this? Continue in Psalm 68:18 the last part:

A. “...That YaHVeH ELOHiym might dwell among them.”

Q. When is YaHVeH ELOHiym going to dwell with us?

A. 1Corinthians: 15:24: Then comes the end, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to YaHVeH, even the FATHER; when He shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Read article: 17) http://bodyofyahshuakeptinyahvehsname.webs.com/17theresurrection.htm 

Q. When will HE put down all rule and all authority and power? To answer that question you must read what Shaul/Saul (Paul) said before verse 24. Notice I numbered 1 thru 5 the events that must take place before YaHVeH dwells with men:

A. 1Co: 15:20: But now is Mashiyach risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

1Co: 15:21: For since by Adam came death, by Adam came also the resurrection of the dead.

1Co: 15:22: For as in Adam all die, even so in Messiah shall all be made alive.

1Co: 15:23: But every man in his own order: Messiah1 the firstfruits; afterward they2 that are Messiah’s at His coming.

1Co: 15:24: Then comes the end, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to YaHVeH, even the FATHER; when He shall have put down all rule and all authority and power5.

1Co: 15:25: For He must reign, till HE has put all enemies under His feet3.

1Co: 15:26: The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death4.

So before YaHVeH the FATHER will dwell with men these events must take place in order. Messiah must return (2nd coming) first1, than we who are part of His Body will be changed to incorruptible2. In Revelation it is called the first resurrection (Revelation 191):

2Revelation: 20:1: And I saw a malak come down from shemah, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

Re: 20:2: And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Re: 20:3: And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Re: 20:4: And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them: and I saw the lives of them that were beheaded for the witness of Yahshua, and for the Word of YaHVeH, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Messiah a thousand years.

Re: 20:5: But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection2.

Re: 20:6: Happy and kodesh is he that has part in the first resurrection2: on such the second death has no power, but they shall be koheniym of YaHVeH and of Messiah, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

After Yahshua1 and His Body2 reigns for a thousand years on the earth Satan is let loose one last time3:

3Re: 20:7: And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Re: 20:8: And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Re: 20:9: And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the kadoshiym about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from YaHVeH out of shameh, and devoured them.

Re: 20:10: And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

After that the Great White Throne Judgment4:

Re: 20:11: And I saw a great white throne, and HIM that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the shameh fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Re: 20:12: And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before YaHVeH; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Re: 20:13: And the sea gave up the dead, which were in it; and death and sheol (“hell”/hades) delivered up the dead, which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Re: 20:14: And death and sheol were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Re: 20:15: And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

In the pass I understood it was Yahshua who was on the “great white throne”, but now I believe it is speaking about the FATHER. The reason why, is, because verse 11 says  “...the earth and the shameh fled away...” Sense Yahshua is already on the earth at His second coming, and the shamayim and the earth did not flee away then, verse 11 is speaking about another event.

 
Here is what is going to happen when Yahshua returns:

Matthew: 24:29: Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from shameh, and the powers of the shamayim shall be shaken:

M't: 24:30: And then shall appear the sign of the Ben of Adam in shameh: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Ben of Adam coming in the clouds of shameh with power and great splendor.

M't: 24:31: And He shall send His malakiym with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of shameh to the other.

Revelation: 1:7: Listen, He comes with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also, which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him, even so, Amein.

Re: 6:12: And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, observe, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

Re: 11:13: And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were afraid, and gave esteem to the ELOHiym of shameh.

Re: 11:19: And the Heykal of YaHVeH was opened in shameh, and there was seen in HIS Heykal the ark of HIS testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Re: 16:18: And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

Notice that the earth and the shamayim do not flee away.

So, before YaHVeH the FATHER comes to dwell with men, the “great white throne” judgment will take place, this will be marked by the earth and the shamayim fleeing away. Now in my mind I picture this event similar to how the scripture says the Mount of Olives will cleave in two (Zech. 14:4-5), which will mark Rabbi Yahshua’s return, which is a earthly event. Before YaHVeH the FATHER returns, outer space will cleave in two. In my mind I picture space being parted. This parting will cause the earth and the shamayim, and space over the earth to be pushed to one side, and the other side of space with all the other planets will be pushed to the other. Talk about an awesome, grant and spectacular entrance. Our EL is an awesome ELOHiym! Like a curtain being pulled apart. I wonder now if that is not the motavation behind the curtains in the theater being done, Satan in his feeble way trying to mimic YaHVeH’s awesome and grand entrance.

Then after all of the first thru four events take place the earth will turn into a ball of fire to be purified5 (Revelation 21):

52 Kepha: 3:12: Looking for and hasting to the coming of the day of YaHVeH, wherein the shamayim being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

So that a new shameh and a new earth can come5:

52 Kepha: 3:13: Nevertheless we, according to HIS promise, look for new shamayim and a new earth, wherein dwells righteousness.

5Re: 21:1: And I saw a new shameh and a new earth: for the first shameh and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Re: 21:2: And I Yahchanan saw the kodesh city, new Yahushalam, coming down from YaHVeH out of shameh, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Re: 21:3: And I heard a great voice out of shameh saying, Behold, the tabernacle of YaHVeH is with men, and HE will dwell with them, and they shall be HIS people, and YaHVeH HIMSELF shall be with them, and be their ELOHiym.

If all of what I just showed you through scriptures doesn’t convince you that the Rabbi Yahshua is NOT YaHVeH than see what Stephan says in Acts 7:

Acts: 7:37: This is that Mosheh, which said unto the children of Yisrael, A Nabiy shall YaHVeH your ELOHiym raise up to you of your brethren, like to me; Him shall you all hear. *

Acts: 7:38: This is He, that was in the congregation (church/kahal/edah/ekklesia) in the wilderness with the Malak which spake to him in Mount Sinai, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give to us: +

* Refer to Deuteronomy/Devarim 18:15.

+ Refer to Exodus/Shemot 19; and 20; Psalm 68:17.

Now to answer the first three questions I ask in the first chat room:

1) Who is Yahveh’s outstretched Arm?

Davariym/Deuteronomy: 26:8: And YaHVeH brought us forth out of Egypt with a Mighty Hand, and with an Outstretched Arm, and with great terribleness, and with signs, and with wonders:

Yirmi’Yah/Yeremiah: 27:5: I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by MY Great Power and by MY Outstretched Arm, and have given it to whom it seemed right to ME.

Remember who Stephan said in Acts 7:38 that Mosheh was speaking to in Mount Sinai; it was Yahshua before He came in the flesh (Yohn 17:5).

1) Who is Yahveh’s Right Hand?

Psalms: 80:15: And the vineyard which YOUR Right Hand has planted, and the Branch that YOU made strong for YOURSELF.

Psalms: 80:17: Let YOUR HAND be upon the Man of YOUR Right Hand, upon the Ben of Adam whom YOU made strong for YOURSELF.

What did Yahshua call Himself all the time?

Matthew/Matit’Yah- ha Levi: 9:6: But that you all may know that the Ben of Adam has power on earth to forgive sins, (then said He to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.

Mark/Yahchanan-Makabi: 2:28: Therefore the Ben of Adam is the Rabbi also of the Sabbath.

Luke/Ur: 6:22: Happy are you all, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Ben of Adam's sake.

Yohn/Yahchanan: 1:51: And He said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Hereafter you all shall see shameh open, and the malakiym of YaHVeH ascending and descending upon the Ben of Adam.

 
3) Who is the Voice of YaHVeH (Word of YaHVeH)?

Genesis/B’resheet: 3:8: And they heard the Voice of YaHVeH ELOHiym walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of YaHVeH ELOHiym among the trees of the garden.

Deuteronomy/Devariym: 4:9: Only take heed to yourself, and keep your life diligently, unless you forget the things which your eyes have seen, and unless they depart from your heart all the days of your life: but teach them to your beniym, and your ben's beniyhm;

De: 4:10: Specially the day that thou stoodest before YaHVeH thy ELOHim in Horeb, when YaHVeH Said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I will make them hear MY WORDS, that they may learn to fear ME all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and that they may teach their children.

De: 4:11: And you came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of shameh, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness.

De: 4:12: And YaHVeH Spake to you out of the midst of the fire: you all heard the Voice of the WORDS, but saw no similitude; only you all heard a Voice.

De: 4:13: And HE Declared to you HIS covenant, which HE commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and He wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Exodus: 31:18: And He gave to Mosheh, when He had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the Finger of ELOHiym.

This is the mystery (Romans 16:25) that Shaul/Saul/Paul was speaking about that has been hidden from the world until YaHVeH’s Outstretched Arm, and Right Hand was revealed as the Ben of Adam. Who was born by virgin birth (super abnormal miracle, causing a child to be born from a woman without having sex with her Yashayah 7:14; Luke 1:26 – 38), born of flesh and blood (Heb. 2:14) like we are, but was, and is sinless, which the god of this world has blinded many from seeing the truth (2 Corinthians 4:4). Men of old desired to see and understand these hidden mysteries, but could not because it was secret until the time for Him to be revealed:

Matthew: 13:17: For truly I say to you, That many prophets/Nabiym and righteous men have desired to see those things which you all see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which you all hear, and have not heard them.

T`hiyliym/Psalms: 98:1: O sing to YaHVeH a new song; for HE has done marvellous things: HIS Right Hand, and HIS kodesh Arm, has gotten HIM the conquests.

Psalms: 98:2: YaHVeH has made known HIS Salvation (Yeshuah): HIS Righteousness has HE openly showed in the sight of the heathen/goyiym/nations.

Psalms: 98:3: HE has remembered HIS Kindness and HIS Truth toward the house of Yisrael: all the ends of the earth have seen the Yeshuah (Salvation) of our ELOHiym.

Psalms: 98:4: Make a joyful noise to YaHVeH, all the earth: make a loud noise, and rejoice, and sing praise.

Psalms: 98:5: Sing to YaHVeH with the harp; with the harp, and the voice of a psalm.

Psalms: 98:6: With trumpets and sound of cornet make a joyful noise before YaHVeH, the King.

Psalms: 98:7: Let the sea roar, and the fulness of it; the world, and they that dwell on it.

Psalms: 98:8: Let the floods clap their hands: let the hills be joyful together

Psalms: 98:9: Before YaHVeH; for He comes to judge the earth: with Righteousness shall He judge the world, and the people with equity.

 

 Mashaliy/Proverb:30:4: Who has ascended up into shameh, or descended?  who has gathered the wind in HIS Fists?  who has bound the waters in a garment?  who has established all the ends of the earth?  what is HIS name, and what is HIS Ben's name, if you can tell?

 

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